I must say, those girls licking each other in the "Hello Timebomb" video make a very striking image.

D: You enjoy that?

Yup.

M: See the funny thing about that is, in some quarters we're going to get in shit about that from some of our fans, but I've never written a video in my life that didn't mean something. And the entire point of having that and the girls spanking each other and that whole sexual overtone, what we were trying to do with that is we were trying to push it. You turn on that music channel now and it's all chicks in tight shorts and they're jumping around and the guys are all over them. So, basically, it's just a parody of that. It's like, if this is what you want, here it is. Let's go universally too far with it.

Basically what it shows is shit for shit's sake. It's the simple fact that bullshit like that attracts attention and I'm just trying to call attention to the fact that shit like that attracts attention. It's like - you're going to look. You've got nothing better to do, you're just gonna look. It wasn't just because we wanted to make a video with chicks that lick each other, it was all rolled up into a Jacob's Ladder kind of thing.

That riot squad beating was unsettling, too.

M: That was the point. We wanted to end the video with everybody unsure whether they're gonna start fucking each other or killing each other. And the interesting thing about it is that - just trying to reflect society in general - it's this straight dichotomy on how everybody just sort of looks so good and yet it has this underlining tension to it.

What about the Angus Young outfits?

M: That just had to be done. Like I've said before, "AC/DC all the way."

This debate I got into with the girls from Nashville Pussy, they swear that Angus Young is the best thing about AC/DC and I think Bon Scott was the shit.

D: I disagree with both of those.

M: I think Phil Rudd and Malcolm Young are the best.

D: I think Malcolm Young is the shit.

M: He's the one who writes the songs, man.

D: He's the one who comes with THE RIFFS. That's a great debate to be on the end of if you're AC/DC and they're arguing about what's the most important facet of your band.

M: First of all, you've got Phil Rudd, probably the most solid drummer in the history of all rock. Then you've got Malcolm, he's the riff master.

D: AC/DC songs are the hardest songs to try to jam to because you just mix up all the riffs. They just all go into each. I don't know how they keep it straight.

M: It's probably because they're not.

D: Aren't they on the wagon now? I thought those guys are Gatorade drinkers now. You can't keep doing it the entire time, unless you're Keith [Richards].

That's like Ozzy. I saw him at the Vancouver Ozzfest. Boy, is he a poster-boy for the cumulative effects of excess in rock 'n' roll.

M: How much of that is true and how much of that is image though? It attracts attention. It's all everybody talks about - how fucked up Ozzy is. While you're talking about it, he's selling $60 tickets to Ozzfest.